Completed White Rose

Elle · Feb 22, 2020

Wow guys, you did a great job, it looks cool and the music is great! :D

Maurili · Feb 22, 2020

My reaction to this:
WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Ott · Feb 22, 2020

Small update:

>Finally did a proper thread for this game
>Game has been updated to V1.1, fixing a possible soft-lock, mapping issues and other tiny tidbits!

darkmaster006 · Feb 24, 2020

Okay, I'm gonna have to try this because it looks real fun!

Cadeorade5 · Mar 10, 2020

This game is amazing. While I have no idea what was happening throughout the game, I had to complete it in one sitting. It was so addicting, in a good way. For the story, having this eerie and unknown aspect makes the player think and adds to the complexness of this game. The music was amazing, too, it matches the story and he eerieness well. I also loved all the minigames that I did with Bob! He's such a lighthearted character which I think give contrast to a game that was so dark.

Tomix9tomix · Mar 12, 2020

Not gonna talk about spoilers too much, but I believe this is a game best gone in blind so I'll use spoiler tags. Please don't click unless you have played the game, and yes, you should play the game.

This game was very good, the art style, the music, even the menus, all very nice and atmospheric, I loved the style. The game felt very "clean" and polished in a way, simple things like the screen dimming when text appears is a nice touch. My favourite part of the game was probably exploring, in reality the game is pretty linear, but I felt like I was exploring a pretty open level each time. I went out of my way and got all the pearls, and I enjoyed doing so.

If I'm going to be hyper critical, I did have a little hiccup with the game, when collecting the strange orbs it wasn't exactly clear what to do next. And I didn't realise talking to one of them again would kill them. Maybe that was the intention with the slight hint of the strange man saying "choose boy or girl", but it doesn't feel like much of an impactful choice when it just happens without us actually having to try and decide which one to choose, instead it just falls to luck of which one you talk to next.

My next point is a little tough because I don't really know if it is bad? It kinda works in your game, but like Cadeorade5 said, I had very little idea what was happening throughout the game, even after completing it I was still confused. Just grasping at the little pieces I have that seem disjointed. Bobby seems to want to steal your name so that, maybe this isn't the right way to word it, but in a way you no longer exist, because you aren't leaving anything behind, so you become something he can just use/eat? But then on another level it seems to be about the fears and inner thoughts that eat away at ourselves? If I'm gonna look real deep into it, the bad ending seems to say that by giving in to these thoughts in our head we allow them to have a real and physical impact on us. And then again, seemingly unrelated, the flower/pearl thing talking about how we are all the same? Also on top of that the strange G-Man like man who just appears everywhere, watching, I guess he is there to warn you about the girl vs boy thing?

However, if there is one part of the plot that I think I get, I think it is the little imp who talks about a bigger imp, I imagine that bigger imp is bobby ;)

Sorry, that all sounds a bit harsh, just being hyper critical, while the story is confusing, it is also intriguing, there is good that comes out of it being so ambiguous. The game really was great, you did an amazing job, and honestly I feel like you should try posting it somewhere other than Relic Castle where it might receive recognition from a wider audience than the Pokemon Fan Game Community. Keep it up, your work is amazing. [\SPOILER]

Ott · Mar 12, 2020

i'm sorry to everyone for not replying sooner but stuff happened and i completely forgot to check back here and say something and tomix's reply made me remember so imma just kill two birds with one stone again im very sorry i like to reply to stuff but im also quite forgeteful at times

also thank you all so very much for playing and liking it ;u;

With that out of the way, time for my reply! (also a lot of it is Tomix's reply which may contain spoilers)

Maurili said:
My reaction to this:
WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Cadeorade5 said:
While I have no idea what was happening throughout the game. (...) For the story, having this eerie and unknown aspect makes the player think and adds to the complexness of this game.

Tomix9tomix said:
(...) like Cadeorade5 said, I had very little idea what was happening throughout the game, even after completing it I was still confused. Just grasping at the little pieces I have that seem disjointed.

So uhm, yea. I really can't say much about how the story went. I am personally kinda self-disappointed as I basically evented the whole story, cutscenes and NPC's in the final 2 days, thus very little came out as I had imagined. Not that it serves as an excuse for poor writing or confusion plot, I should have had things better prepared and structured the plot beforehand, but just wanted to give it as a bit of context. Perhaps I will re-event the whole game once the community vote is done!

Tomix9tomix said:
If I'm going to be hyper critical, I did have a little hiccup with the game, when collecting the strange orbs it wasn't exactly clear what to do next. And I didn't realise talking to one of them again would kill them. Maybe that was the intention with the slight hint of the strange man saying "choose boy or girl", but it doesn't feel like much of an impactful choice when it just happens without us actually having to try and decide which one to choose, instead it just falls to luck of which one you talk to next.

Nope, I just didn't properly think that whole thing through and assumed a lot. If I could I would have just evented that whole thing from scratch to make it less confusing for the player and make it a more impactful choice.

Tomix9tomix said:
(...)Bobby seems to want to steal your name so that (...) in a way you no longer exist, because you aren't leaving anything behind, so you become something he can just use/eat? But then on another level it seems to be about the fears and inner thoughts that eat away at ourselves?(...) the bad ending seems to say that by giving in to these thoughts in our head we allow them to have a real and physical impact on us. And then again, seemingly unrelated, the flower/pearl thing talking about how we are all the same? Also on top of that the strange G-Man like man who just appears everywhere, watching, I guess he is there to warn you about the girl vs boy thing?

However, if there is one part of the plot that I think I get, I think it is the little imp who talks about a bigger imp, I imagine that bigger imp is bobby ;)

I'll spoiler things because a lot of it may contain actual spoilers and stuff that I had in mind whilst making WR:

Bobby, the bouncy thing you meet that does some puzzles with you is just an NPC. He's there just to sorta be cute and friendly. The first friendly face you meet in this bleak hellscape, so to say. I believe you are confusing him with the big boi at the end (default name is Malcolm, but me and LJ kindly called him Fred during dev. He's named whatever you chose when going to bed).
But yes, Malcolm basically wants you to rename yourself in to something else, so he can slowly take control of Rose (the human). By going with the bad ending you're basically allowing yourself to let Malcolm take control of you and become a real entity rather than just another voice in your head. Is that black thing that appears in the real world real? How did it come from the "purple" world? What did he do to Rose? Those were some things I tried to have people question with the bad ending.
The "G-man" thing (i just call him shade cuz im boring like that) is just an observer. What I had planned was to have others mention him as the oldest entity in that dimension that just liked to observe newcomers and mess with them. But well, sounds fine on paper but it isnt ever mentioned in the game cuz... lots of time constraints and bad management on my part.
The flower thing though, that's supposed to be the knowledgeable entity. One of the "inspirations" for this game was the Multiple Personality Disorder/Dissociative Identity Disorder. I know someone who suffers from it for some time now and in one (extremely condensed) way they explained it to me that each different personality (or alter) is a part of the original personality (host). Some alters don't know that they are an alter, some do. some even know all other alters and how they connect to the host. The flower was meant to be a bit like those latter kinds, being aware of what they are and who everyone else is. That they aren't exactly real but merely fragments of the host.
And lastly, I think you confused Bobby with Malcolm again, but yes, the Imp was referring to Malcolm!

Disclaimer: I of course merely took inspiration for this game on MPD/DID with no intention to represent or portray it accurately. I did also get consent from my friend.

Tomix9tomix said:
Sorry, that all sounds a bit harsh, just being hyper critical, while the story is confusing, it is also intriguing, there is good that comes out of it being so ambiguous. The game really was great, you did an amazing job, and honestly I feel like you should try posting it somewhere other than Relic Castle where it might receive recognition from a wider audience than the Pokemon Fan Game Community. Keep it up, your work is amazing.

None of it was harsh at all! I am very thankful for your feedback! And one day I'll post them somewhere else! Am still working on Latent too, so who knows.

Elle said:
Wow guys, you did a great job, it looks cool and the music is great! :D

Cadeorade5 said:
(...)The music was amazing, too, it matches the story and he eerieness well.

Tomix9tomix said:
This game was very good, the art style, the music, even the menus, all very nice and atmospheric, I loved the style.

Of course I can't take all the credit! LJ helped a lot, with simple things like support, ideas, feedback and playtesting, up to the most important thing; the music! So shoutout to him and all the fab music he has done!!

ranko · Mar 12, 2020

All right. Finished this game. Congratulations on putting out such a unique product! Time for my review:

Disclaimer: This is my opinion. This opinion is drawn together through my perspective of the game as a player.

This is almost exactly the kind of game I've always wanted to play. I loved it. Please continue it.

MySummerJob · May 8, 2020

I had a fun time with this game... Even streamed it, and uploaded the VOD to YouTube.

Also at one point, I made a joke about me floating... Turns out I didn't see the legs (I'm visually impaired) so the joke didn't really land.

Pretty cool game... I see you have another non-Pokemon game, and will be sure to check that out in the future.

Ott · May 31, 2020

WR has been updated to V1.2

Fixed a bug that prevents the "flower NPC" from talking to you once all 6 flower pearls are collected.
Added a save point before the end.

Aurora · Nov 14, 2020

I finished the game and I was like wtf? Haha. I choosed the girl because I wanted to save her but it was the opposite after all. If you choose the boy, what happens?

_pheebs · Nov 14, 2020

Wow.

Just wow.
This was very well done.
It feels almost Undertale-esque and I love it.

Picking between the Boy, and the Girl doesn't seem to change much? Is it supposed to?

Ott · Nov 21, 2020

Firstly, thank you both for playing WR! It means a lot seeing people still checking in and trying it out ;u;

Secondly

Aurora said:
I finished the game and I was like wtf? Haha. I choosed the girl because I wanted to save her but it was the opposite after all. If you choose the boy, what happens?

_pheebs said:
Picking between the Boy, and the Girl doesn't seem to change much? Is it supposed to?

Sadly it doesn't change much. Only a few dialog options from the other one, the skeleton and the end creature. Hopefully someday I'll get back to this game and remake a few bits of it, give it the polishing and detail it truly deserves, because the time constraint really hurt the story imho.

Arti.stix · Dec 14, 2020

I really liked the music and the story

99sai · May 16, 2021

hmm.. i can't download the game, need access. pls help

KingScar · Dec 27, 2021

99sai said:
hmm.. i can't download the game, need access. pls help

same message. result from the download link posted in the first post.

Ott · Dec 28, 2021

Sorry for all of the delay. The download link should now be working again.

Ickle · Dec 29, 2021

hey I've fond the Silver,Gold,Platinum,Steel and Wooden pearl flowers but I can't find the last one? where is it?

Ott · Dec 29, 2021

Ickle said:
hey I've fond the Silver,Gold,Platinum,Steel and Wooden pearl flowers but I can't find the last one? where is it?

The last one is in

the Teleporter puzzle room. Go to the right teleporter, then right once more, and then go up all the way.

Completed White Rose

Elle

Maker of Many and Finisher of Few

Maurili

Not a scobunny

Ott

My crown is made from the Yellow Pages

darkmaster006

Rookie

Cadeorade5

Content Creator

Tomix9tomix

The beetle is waking up

Ott

My crown is made from the Yellow Pages

ranko

The Wind and Snow Continue to Stare

MySummerJob

Rookie

Ott

My crown is made from the Yellow Pages

Aurora

Trainer

_pheebs

Demoness on the prowl!

Ott

My crown is made from the Yellow Pages

Arti.stix

Rookie

99sai

Novice

KingScar

Novice

Ott

My crown is made from the Yellow Pages

Ickle

Trainer

Ott

My crown is made from the Yellow Pages